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Info dump

Posted: 18 Mar 2016, 12:33
by thirtythr33

I saw the idea in another thread so I've compiled some of the info dumps I have made so far as well as added a bunch of new stuff.

Major players

Seeing how so many people decided to make up military or mercenary type characters, I think I’ll run with it and steer the politicking towards things relating to the war more than I had initially thought.

The Italian War of 1521–26 pitted Francis I of France and the Republic of Venice against the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, Henry VIII of England, and the Papal States. The conflict arose from animosity over the election of Charles as Emperor in 1519–20 and from Pope Leo X's need to ally with Charles against Martin Luther.

Georg von Frundsberg was a South German military and Landsknecht leader in the service of the Imperial House of Habsburg. An early modern proponent of infantry tactics, he established his reputation in active service during the Italian Wars under Emperor Maximilian I and his successor Charles V.
Anyone with the surname Medici. The Pope Leo X was born Giovanni di Lorenzo de' Medici, the Duke of Florence was Alessandro de' Medici, the Grand Duke of Tuscany was Cosimo I de' Medici, the Archbishop of Albi was Giuliano de' Medici, Pope Clement IV was born Giulio de' Medici. Etc etc. These guys are so rich and powerful they basically own entire cities and the church.

Andrea Gritti, the Doge (Duke) of Venice. Trying desperately to pull Venice out of a losing war his predecessor almost lost. Has a long and distinguished diplomatic and military career.

The law

Hue and cry

A common law that anyone who sees a crime being committed must shout for aid (mostly this applies to shoplifting). Anyone who hears the cry is obligated to assist in apprehending the criminal. Any who don’t assist are assumed to be an accomplice of the criminal and may share the same punishment as them (a common theme).

Eye witnesses

Eye witnesses are everything. If nobody saw you commit the crime, you most likely got away with it. There is no such thing as a crime investigation unit. On the other hand, if someone did see you and is willing to testify you are pretty much presumed to be guilty because of the laws about oaths.

Swearing oaths

Swearing under oath (in the sight of God) is a big deal, so an eye-witness testimony carried huge weight.

So much so that character witnesses were often called upon. There is no such thing as misleading or irrelevant to a court proceeding, anything and everything was relevant to trying to figure out what type of person you were (which was often more important than whether or not the crime was even committed!).
Amazingly, anyone who testified (under oath) on behalf of the accused was bound to share the same punishment as the accused if they were found guilty.


Theft was disproportionately punished by today’s standards. It was the crime of greatest concern to the wealthy; the people who wrote the laws. The punishment was proportional to the amount stolen and NOT how much force or violence was used during the theft. First time theft of 1 lira might be a whipping. Stealing 10 lira would cost you an eye or a brand on the face. Stealing 40 lira would be a hanging. To compare, 200 lira is a roughly equivalent fine to spending 1 year is jail.

The vast majority of penalties were a combination of fine and jail time. The prisons in Venice were full to bursting so they started relying on fines a lot. They fined whatever wealth the criminal had and the criminal “paid” the remainder of the fine by doing jail time of 1yr per 200 lira they couldn’t pay. This meant the very rich often didn’t have to do jail time for terrible crimes.

The punishment for rape is to pay the woman’s father/husband/brother the value of the woman’s dowry.

Assault or assault with a weapon is punished even less severely than rape. Often a small to medium sized fine. Murder will still earn you the death penalty.

Trial by ordeal

In serious cases that had no witnesses a Trial by ordeal could take place (usually for witch-hunts but sometimes for murder trials). The judge and priests of the church would have great leeway is designing any kind of trial they liked. Common ones were Trial by Fire, Trial by Water, Trial by Combat or Trial by Jury. Usually the defendant would have to perform some task that would usually bring harm upon them (like holding a red hot metal bar) and were found to be innocent if no harm befell them.

Usually the defendant would have to ask the permission of the judge to allow them to be trialed by ordeal. The exception is that a nobleman may challenge another directly to trial by combat without a judges permission.


The time between a challenge and the day of the duel could be many months. There is a case were the participants intentionally set a date very far away so that they could both learn to fight before the day came. Dueling was very common but illegal unless you were a noble challenging another noble. The procedure was roughly as follows:

1. A challenger who feels offended issues a public grievance
2. The defendant either a) publicly apologises for offence b) accepts the duel or c) suffers great dishonour
3. If they accept, the defendant gets to choose what weapon the duel is fought with and the challenger chooses the location and time and date (usually outside city limits at dawn)
4. Each side would have a “second” through which all communication between the parties would take place. They try to dissuade the duel from needing to take place, check the fight is fair, bear witness to the outcome and are responsible for throwing in the towel if it isn’t a fight to the death
5. Any result of the duel is considered honourable, even losing. The duel is about proving BRAVERY not skill with weapons.

Stuff I said elsewhere but I've copied over to keep it in one place

Social Status

Usually, a very rich Merchant would be a High Freeman with the Wealthy Edge. However, in Venice the rich Merchants actually take part in governing, which is usually the prerogative and power of the nobles.

So for this game, if the head of the family is a member of the Council of Forty then their entire family is equivalent to a social class of Lesser Noble since they have actual legal power. They cannot be a Greater Noble. Other non-nobles are capped at High Freeman but can take the Wealthy edge as desired. Actual Nobles by blood do not need to be on the Council of Forty to be a Lesser or Greater Noble.


As far as armor goes, I was more talking about the visibility than the protection provided when I was talking about Gamberson and Jack of Plates. Obviously if you can wear a light maille hauberk with short sleeves and no skirt people probably won't notice. If your hauberk goes down to the knees and shows bare steel, people are going to assume you are looking to start trouble.

Another thing to consider is plausible deniability and daily wear. A Jack of Plates has specifically been designed to be comfortable. If you get into an altercation and get dragged before a judge, can you really say with a straight face "I was just walking my dog, minding my own business in my maille hauberk, and from out of nowhere this guy jumps out..." The more heavily equipped you are you less likely people are going to believe you are the innocent victim.

Again I will remind this is a city campaign (a civilized area). The vast majority of NPCs are going to be wearing cloth and holding a dagger most of the time.

I don't see that much of a difference in protective quality between a "true" gambeson and a doublet, so much as the difference in what body parts they cover. A "true" gambeson covers the neck, arms, torso, groin and thighs whereas a doublet protects only the neck and torso.

Yes, if you had a "true" military gambeson (and not a fashionable arming doublet) you would face similar scrutiny as that of someone wearing mail. In any event, cloth or padded armor was commonly worn by civilians and metal was not.


Everyone could wear a weapon of ~1.5 feet or shorter. There are countless examples. This would include Dagger, Messer, Short Sword or Buckler. The Cinquedea was particularly popular in Venice.

Owning military equipment and training in it was legal, but walking the streets with it was not.

Nobles LOVED stylizing their dress after military equipment, the doublet and rapier being the "civilian" versions of the military gambeson and longsword.

Peasants also LOVED stylizing their dress after the nobility if they could afford it. So much so that Sumptuary Laws were introduced in an attempt to stop them.

Sumptuary Laws were a lot more restrictive to women than men.

The typical penalty for breaking a Sumptuary Law was a minor fine.

Rapier is a weapon made for civilian Dueling.

Dueling was supposed to be only for nobles but was often imitated by people of lower class.

In Italy, whether or not you were a noble was a very ambiguous thing. Often rich merchant families were "elevated" to noble status if they made large enough donations.

So in theory, Rapier is supposed to be only for nobles. In practice... people probably broke this law fairly often, the law was rarely enforced and when it was enforced the penalties were not very severe.

Only firearms available is the arquebus. No pistols in the time period.

Re: Info dump

Posted: 20 Mar 2016, 09:24
by thirtythr33
So this is a summary of all the bits of information I have gathered about the characters I have seen so far. Let me know if anything needs changing.


Re: Info dump

Posted: 20 Mar 2016, 10:31
by Alex
Great work for the table with all the characters! I thought about doing something similar, but you beat me to it :)

Small typo for my character: he is a Low Freeman
(priority 2 in Social Class. He does not have any Priority 1, but he also does not have any priority 5)

Re: Info dump

Posted: 20 Apr 2016, 22:03
by DannyBoy
For my SAs, I'm going to add "Always stick up for the little guy", and "Keep my history as a Landsknecht secret". In order of value it's:
Eleanora 3
Keep my past secret 2
Stick up for the little guy 0

Re: Info dump

Posted: 21 Apr 2016, 09:47
by thirtythr33
Updated character summary ... e.png?dl=0

You guys should really fill out copies of the editable character sheet in the 4chan thread and make a thread for each of your characters and keep it updated there.

It's just a bunch of stuff I had bookmarked I thought some of you might like browsing through.

My top recommendations of the bunch ... t_painters ... roject.jpg ... enice.html ... ntext=jclc ... rdsmanship

Map of who owns what at the time ... &re=0&nv=2
Historic maps of Venice ... I_43_b.jpg ... nice_b.jpg
Historic street maps of Venice ... nice_b.jpg ... 38_map.jpg

Magic in the Renaissance ... th_century ... ft#History ... l#section2

Medicine ... ern_Europe

More Venetian Names ... given.html ... 14sur.html

Swordsmanship ... .C3.BCcher ... enaissance ... le-review/

Miscellaneous stuff ... naissance/

Re: Info dump

Posted: 25 Apr 2016, 12:21
by Korbel
33 as a DM is a treasure! Here we are blessed in two ways: with a great game and a super-prepared DM. Seems we are lucky bastards ;)

Re: Info dump

Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 04:59
by thirtythr33
Primary NPCs
[Those named in a player Edge, Flaw or Story Aspect]

Giacomo Acerbi
Marco's brother and Blasio's friend.

Claudio Acerbi
Marco's ill father and member of Council of Forty.

Francesca da Firenze
Servant of the Acerbi family that was raped.

Rocco the Red
Gang leader with a grudge against Cirillo.

Blasio Soranzo
Primary suspect in Francesca's attack.

Master Gatti
Foreign merchant with ties to pirates and slavers.

Lucio Monte
Cirillo's mentor.

Secondary NPCs

???, ???, Rambaldo
Thugs in the employ of Rocco.

Eleanora D'agnolo
Servant to Acerbi family and wife of Giorgio.

Enrico Soranzo
Brother and named Second to Blasio.

Nicolo Gonzago
Owner of warehouse being rented to Marco.

Felle da Valaseno
Key witness to the attack on Francesca.

Re: Info dump

Posted: 20 Sep 2016, 05:07
by thirtythr33
Also, an updated character summary mostly for me to track SA triggers and such.


Re: Info dump

Posted: 11 Mar 2017, 03:34
by thirtythr33
Just keeping travel time info here for reference:

Modes of transport:
On foot, significant baggage ~3km/hr
On foot with no baggage ~5km/hr
Running marathon ~10km/hr (sustainable only by someone very athletic)
World record marathon ~20km/hr (requires rest after ~2hrs)

Horse with baggage or rider ~10km/hr (need separate horses for baggage and riders)
Hard riding horse speed ~20km/hr (requires changing horses each ~40km)
Emergency riding horse speed ~40km/hr (requires changing horses each ~15km)

Small boat ~7.5km/hr
Large sailing vessel ~10km/hr
War ship, rowed by 100 men ~15km/hr

Re: Info dump

Posted: 09 May 2017, 09:04
by thirtythr33

I'll also update the NPC portraits some time soon.

Re: Info dump

Posted: 09 May 2017, 09:12
by Korbel
And where's Cirillo? I suppose Marras will come back to gaming sooner or later.
BTW look, I'm flawless...